Introduction
This is my dialogue with a teacher-UIN Sunan Kalijaga hadâhullâh iyyâya wa -via sms, when i send sms to him containing socialization and an invitation to attend the conference at the JEC Rajab 1432 H Yogyakarta.
This discussion ended with a disagreement over: Is Buya Natsir- ra h imahullâh -have a mature concept of an Islamic State? My contention: None. While the pack lecturer stated otherwise. But unfortunately he did not answer when asked about what the book shows that Buya Natsir did have a mature concept of the Islamic State?
May Allah forgive us all and allow thousands of prayers every day terpanjat for the return of the Khilafah. Amen.
Cans:
Prosperous below unity. How mencitakan caliphate, the mosque does not have a plantation? Thank you.
16/05/2011 5:27 pm
I:
HTI had a concept, sir. And is trying to disseminate and implement these concepts.
16/05/2011 5:42 pm
Cans:
The others had no concept of a century since then, mas. Piye tha?
I:
16/05/2011 5:33 pm
Yes, sir. What else should not have any concepts that try to offer? For the other rare campaign concept. For example about how sovereignty in accordance with Islamic theology, whether popular sovereignty, the sovereignty of the king, as representative of the people's sovereignty when this happens, the rule of law, or something else? Due to lack of education of the people related to it, many people who do not have adequate knowledge of Islamic politics.
16/05/2011 5:33 pm
Cans:
Not yet, but the ways and different perspectives.
16/05/2011 5:59 pm
I:
If the way is clear and different perspective, sir. But I see there is not enough education about it. I once read a book "State and Government in Islam" *, but I see the young themselves are rarely examined the book. In fact, if anything, I'd love to mulazamah a cleric who has competence in the matter. Maybe Njenengan can recommend cleric who would take the time to review the book did it go?
16/05/2011 6:45 pm
Cans:
How to have a dream empire, elementary school, junior high, PT, hospitals, mosques do not have? HTI friends to critique other organizations but are looking to live within that organization.
16/05/2011 pm
I:
To my knowledge, many great leaders, capable of establishing a state, but no playgroup, kindergarten, elementary, junior high school, PT, Hospital, etc., sir.
If any member of HT who worked at a place to break the rules, please just take very appropriate regulations in place, sir. But when it comes to criticism, does not that unusual, sir? In an organization of any internal criticism is already commonplace.
16/05/2011 6:422 pm
Cans:
The evacuations of the offense is.
16/05/2011 6:14 pm
I:
Including evacuations from within, sir. Person who does that action should be taken in accordance with applicable rules.
16/05/2011 6:48 pm
Cans:
I had the Koran to the cleric Helmi, Chairman of the Shura Council of the MCC 22 yrs ago. He jelaskn dawlah concept with a very bright, but the set up was different again dawlah. Hehe
16/05/2011 6:45 pm
I:
Often the reality does not correspond with the original concept. Is experienced by almost all organisisasi. It is unfortunate that at this time all parties in parliament have berasas pragmatisasi Islam. Many factors make it happen. Among them because the concept itself is not completely clear. Not all cadres of the Islamic party, for example, understand how the image of Islam and the whole country according to what is the difference with state-secular-democratic capitalism. Violates the concept is wrong. But do not make the concept, in my opinion more wrong.
16/05/2011 7:42 pm
Cans:
Natsir et al have tried, failed miserably. MCC at HTI apatahlagi, because only splinter political brothers who say but do not have a political party.
16/05/2011 9:49 pm
I:
What I know Buya Natsir-rahimahullaah-Islamic countries do not have a perfect idea and detail, sir. He also did not explain clearly how to make it happen according to the method adopted by the Prophet.
We do not know the end of the journey of an organization, because it is unseen matter. God only knows. We can only see from the conception and the consistency of these conceptions. We corrected if I'm wrong. Oh yes, HT is not the Muslim Brotherhood offshoot. That's two different organs from the beginning.
16/05/2011 10:09 pm
Cans:
Well if Natsir say so, it means that HTI did not read history. Let me say iqra qabla an taquul. Read before you speak. Sorry quite up here and there is no need sms thanks again.
16/05/2011 10:04 pm
I:
Excuse me, sir, what's Magnum Opus Buya Natsir Allahu Yarham that would indicate to me about building a country that he fought along the road to make it happen? I am learning to be learners. If it does have the book in question, maybe I can borrow.
16/05/2011 10:20 pm
* Written by one of the leaders of Muhammadiyah, the KH-Allahu Azhar Bashir yar h am.
This is my dialogue with a teacher-UIN Sunan Kalijaga hadâhullâh iyyâya wa -via sms, when i send sms to him containing socialization and an invitation to attend the conference at the JEC Rajab 1432 H Yogyakarta.
This discussion ended with a disagreement over: Is Buya Natsir- ra h imahullâh -have a mature concept of an Islamic State? My contention: None. While the pack lecturer stated otherwise. But unfortunately he did not answer when asked about what the book shows that Buya Natsir did have a mature concept of the Islamic State?
May Allah forgive us all and allow thousands of prayers every day terpanjat for the return of the Khilafah. Amen.
Cans:
Prosperous below unity. How mencitakan caliphate, the mosque does not have a plantation? Thank you.
16/05/2011 5:27 pm
I:
HTI had a concept, sir. And is trying to disseminate and implement these concepts.
16/05/2011 5:42 pm
Cans:
The others had no concept of a century since then, mas. Piye tha?
I:
16/05/2011 5:33 pm
Yes, sir. What else should not have any concepts that try to offer? For the other rare campaign concept. For example about how sovereignty in accordance with Islamic theology, whether popular sovereignty, the sovereignty of the king, as representative of the people's sovereignty when this happens, the rule of law, or something else? Due to lack of education of the people related to it, many people who do not have adequate knowledge of Islamic politics.
16/05/2011 5:33 pm
Cans:
Not yet, but the ways and different perspectives.
16/05/2011 5:59 pm
I:
If the way is clear and different perspective, sir. But I see there is not enough education about it. I once read a book "State and Government in Islam" *, but I see the young themselves are rarely examined the book. In fact, if anything, I'd love to mulazamah a cleric who has competence in the matter. Maybe Njenengan can recommend cleric who would take the time to review the book did it go?
16/05/2011 6:45 pm
Cans:
How to have a dream empire, elementary school, junior high, PT, hospitals, mosques do not have? HTI friends to critique other organizations but are looking to live within that organization.
16/05/2011 pm
I:
To my knowledge, many great leaders, capable of establishing a state, but no playgroup, kindergarten, elementary, junior high school, PT, Hospital, etc., sir.
If any member of HT who worked at a place to break the rules, please just take very appropriate regulations in place, sir. But when it comes to criticism, does not that unusual, sir? In an organization of any internal criticism is already commonplace.
16/05/2011 6:422 pm
Cans:
The evacuations of the offense is.
16/05/2011 6:14 pm
I:
Including evacuations from within, sir. Person who does that action should be taken in accordance with applicable rules.
16/05/2011 6:48 pm
Cans:
I had the Koran to the cleric Helmi, Chairman of the Shura Council of the MCC 22 yrs ago. He jelaskn dawlah concept with a very bright, but the set up was different again dawlah. Hehe
16/05/2011 6:45 pm
I:
Often the reality does not correspond with the original concept. Is experienced by almost all organisisasi. It is unfortunate that at this time all parties in parliament have berasas pragmatisasi Islam. Many factors make it happen. Among them because the concept itself is not completely clear. Not all cadres of the Islamic party, for example, understand how the image of Islam and the whole country according to what is the difference with state-secular-democratic capitalism. Violates the concept is wrong. But do not make the concept, in my opinion more wrong.
16/05/2011 7:42 pm
Cans:
Natsir et al have tried, failed miserably. MCC at HTI apatahlagi, because only splinter political brothers who say but do not have a political party.
16/05/2011 9:49 pm
I:
What I know Buya Natsir-rahimahullaah-Islamic countries do not have a perfect idea and detail, sir. He also did not explain clearly how to make it happen according to the method adopted by the Prophet.
We do not know the end of the journey of an organization, because it is unseen matter. God only knows. We can only see from the conception and the consistency of these conceptions. We corrected if I'm wrong. Oh yes, HT is not the Muslim Brotherhood offshoot. That's two different organs from the beginning.
16/05/2011 10:09 pm
Cans:
Well if Natsir say so, it means that HTI did not read history. Let me say iqra qabla an taquul. Read before you speak. Sorry quite up here and there is no need sms thanks again.
16/05/2011 10:04 pm
I:
Excuse me, sir, what's Magnum Opus Buya Natsir Allahu Yarham that would indicate to me about building a country that he fought along the road to make it happen? I am learning to be learners. If it does have the book in question, maybe I can borrow.
16/05/2011 10:20 pm
* Written by one of the leaders of Muhammadiyah, the KH-Allahu Azhar Bashir yar h am.
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